i think that john is a good dad, who loves his kids. and would do anything for than. could he be a better dad? possibly.
i am with kate on this one tho.

anyone who has watched the show should know they are phenomenal parents

Phenomenal parents? Seriously?! Kate is a raging beotch that treats her kids like movie props and Jon is a raging douchebag galavanting all over the world partying with barely legal girls. Maybe you and I have different definitions of the word phenomenal.

yes john has made decisions that were less than perfect for the situation, but at the same time, he has stuck with his family, he's there for his kids and kate does have her faults where she is less than pleasant (and I'm saying that in the nicest way possible) but she's also there for her kids and she and john have said from the beginning that the show is for the kids to look back and see what it was like when they were little. it's for them to store memories and yes, the press and everything has turned a nice show into a broken marriage, but both parents are still there and you don't see john completely leaving and never seeing or supporting his kids again. john and kate are not perfect for each other and only looking at tabloids for your source of information on the family's home life won't get you anywhere because 90% of the time it's lies. the only way anyone can know if Jon is a good father is if you knew him and you don't.

That is very true, what Renae said below. For people who are fans of the tabloids and believe the words they say, they're probably the 60% that said no. The 40% know for sure that Jon loves his kids. Both parents do. Think about it: J and K take care of their kids, provide them a home and food, do everything possible so they can grow into wonderful adults someday and take actions of punishment when needed. If they didn't love them, they would have given up. That choice is especially for Jon, because I don't think many people of his age when Kate gave birth to these kids, would have seen all eight children and stuck around. He had the choice to leave Kate to struggle, and he didn't. If you've seen him in the show, you know he loves his kids. He's said it himself. Have you heard of the phrase, "Don't believe everything you see"?

I think Jon is a better dad then Kate is a mother. Jon enjoys spending time with his children and participating in the activities they do. Kate would rather set on a bench and complain about the topic of the day.

I have very strong feelings on this. I think that Jon loves his kids, but is completely forgetting that his first priority should be his kids, not his own life. The amount of money he is spending on himself and his girlfriend is disgusting. And I ...don't see him doing anything to make any money to provide for his kids, but Kate's working her ass off to make money for her kids. I am totally disgusted with his behavior lately. Kate got off lucky to find this out now rather than when the kids are teenagers, let me tell you! He's turned out to be quite the ass.

they are both amazing parents. neither of them had times for themselves let alone each other. But they were there for there kids no matter what. he was not a bad father in the least.

I never said he didn't love his kids...he clearly does. The question is whether he's a good father and whether they are "phenomenal" parents. I know a lot of people that love their kids but are crappy parents because they don't do the right things to raise their kids right. These kids have been in the glaring public eye since day 1 and that can't be healthy. Take a look at the twin girls who have enough attitude for all of us. Coincidence that they also happen to be on TV 24/7...probably not. And now reports are out that Jon and Kate each make $75K per episode. So I ask you, are they really doing it so their kids have memories of their younger years? Hell no. They're doing it for the cash and the free house, trips, publicity, etc. They suck and they need to take their train wreck off the TV.

I'm not exactly sure that's the case. In previous episodes, before the whole deal that occured between J and K, Kate CLEARLY said that they don't keep the cameras around them 24/7. She feels stifled when the cameras are around and at most they keep them around a couple hours a day. The show was given to them. They didn't ask for it.

You can't say for sure [and neither can I] that they're just doing it for the money unless you know them personally. This TV show, like I said, was gifted. They were, if you recall, originally found by TLC and they did one of those one hour specials on them. Afterwards, they proposed the TV show. In these times, however, I think there was the matter of just doing it for the publicity and I think that's more for Kate's case than Jon's, who I think is trying to avoid the tabloids as much as possible.

If you think about it, people are posting photos in official magazines before they happen on TV. The paparazzi follow this family now that they have the opportunity and "a juicy story".

And as for the twins, Mady carries the most attitude and I know plenty of girls who act the same exact way [and of her age group]. Cara's more understanding and rarely ever shows attitude. I think there's more now because they're undergoing extreme changes in the family